Interview: WIN SCOTT ECKERT 2025

Today I chat with author and friend Win Scott Eckert, as a part of my ongoing series featuring creative folks who will be appearing at Pulpfest 2025. Win is the editor of Myths For the Modern Age and three volumes of short stories featuring The Green Hornet, co-author with Philip Jose Farmer of The Evil in Pemberley House and The Monster on Hold, and author of Crossovers: A Secret History of the World, The Scarlet Jaguar, and the authorized Edgar Rice Universe canonical novels Tarzan: Battle for Pellucidar, and Korak At The Earth’s Core. He has also written short stories featuring classic characters like The Green Hornet, the Lone Ranger, the Avenger, the Phantom, Sherlock Holmes, the Domino Lady, Honey West, T.H.E. Cat, and Irma Vep. Win is a member of the International Association of Media Tie-In Writers, holds a B.A. in anthropology and a Juris Doctor.

 

Hi, Win! Thanks for taking some time to chat. I know you’re busy working on the second book in your Edgar Rice Burroughs Universe trilogy, the Dead Moon Super-Arc.

WSE: Hi, Anthony! Yes, Pellucidar: Land of Awful Shadow.

 

We’ll talk about the new book shortly, but my first question is more general. You’ve had a wonderful career writing in the worlds of Edgar Rice Burroughs, Philip José Farmer, the Green Hornet, The Avenger, Honey West, the Lone Ranger, and others. Talk to me a bit about your earliest memories of wanting to write these characters/in these worlds.

To be honest, I didn’t consider writing fiction until after I started my metafictional Wold Newton Universe site in 1997. My first forays were non-fiction (or rather, metafiction) essays which were writing about characters’ chronologies and family trees, rather than traditional fiction stories. It was only when Jean-Marc Lofficier suggested that I try my hand at straight fiction for his annual Tales of the Shadowmen anthologies that I considered it. This was in 2004.

What is your current writing process like? That is, are you a plotter, a “pantser,” etc.? Do you set daily wordcount goals? And has that process changed at all throughout your career?

I am not a “pantser.” I definitely outline, but at a high level. I know the beginning, middle, and most importantly, the end. Part of this is because it is generally required when writing for licensed properties (although requirements for licensed properties are on the spectrum of detail from “almost no detail, just a pitch” to a strict chapter-by-chapter outline). Even with a strict chapter outline, there is a lot of room for creativity as I actually write the chapters, as additional inspiration inevitably hits while I am writing. And sometimes the chapters end up getting moved around as I write, and so forth. So, the outline is not a strict contract, but rather a demonstration that I know where I’m going in the end, even if the path of getting there deviates from the outline. As for your other questions, when I am deep in a writing project, I do set wordcount goals. My process has not changed much in the last twenty years, with the exception that within the last five years or so I occasionally dictate some portions of a novel; it speeds up my writing, but I’ve also noticed that more errors are introduced which I sometimes fail to catch despite intense proofing, so I am a bit gun shy right now about dictating too much.

 

You’re on your third novel for the Edgar Rice Burroughs Universe (the first being Tarzan: Battle for Pellucidar in the “Swords of Eternity Super-Arc” that launched the Edgar Rice Burroughs Universe (ERBU), and the second being Korak at Earth’s Core, the first book in your “Dead Moon Super-Arc”). I’d love to hear a bit about how you came to write for ERB Inc., and how you crafted your pitch for the “Dead Moon Super-Arc.”

Shortly before Christopher Paul Carey joined ERB, Inc. as Director (now VP) of Publishing, I pitched a Korak novel to CEO Jim Sullos, which was accepted. Once Chris joined, and outlined his plans for the ERBU, to be kicked off with the “Swords of Eternity Super-Arc,” it was a no-brainer that a Tarzan novel was needed for that launch. I reworked my Korak pitch into a Tarzan pitch which became Tarzan: Battle for Pellucidar. After that, Chris and I still really wanted to do a Korak novel. I explained my idea to him in person at PulpFest, to which he burst out laughing, and said, “Let’s do it!”

Philip José Farmer wrote an article originally published in ERB-dom No. 57, April 1972. His ideas were worked into his mock biography, Tarzan Alive. The article has also been republished in my collection Myths for the Modern Age: Philip José Farmer’s Wold Newton Universe (MonkeyBrain Books), Pearls from Peoria (Subterranean Press), and The Man Who Met Tarzan (Meteor House). The article is entitled “The Great Korak-Time Discrepancy” and deals with how Korak, the son of Tarzan, impossibly ages about eight-ten years between the ERB books The Beasts of Tarzan and The Son of Tarzan. Farmer proposes an explanation, and there is another branch of fandom that proposes a different explanation. You can read the article online here. The “Dead Moon Super-Arc” will present a third, in-universe explanation.

We also wanted to explore as-yet untouched (or relatively untouched parts) of Pellucidar, the hollow world at the Earth’s core, and decided that the Dead World and the Land of Awful Shadow would be great settings for this trilogy.

What challenges have you encountered in moving Burroughs’ classic characters forward in time and in expanding the ERBU while still remaining true to his spirit and Burroughs’ original timeline and characters?

Honestly . . . not many. The biggest challenge is ensuring that all the writers’ stories remain consistent with each other, with no contradictions. That is one of the big selling points of the ERBU: the novels, stories, and comics are consistent both in continuity and in character with what ERB wrote, but they are all also consistent with each other. It’s not difficult to portray these characters as honorable and heroic. Perfect? No, of course not. I had a good time portraying Korak as less than perfect, and yet still heroic.

 

Without spoilers, what can you tell us about the upcoming second “Dead Moon Super-Arc” novel, Pellucidar: Land of Awful Shadow?

Yes! It takes place mostly concurrently with Korak at the Earth’s Core (this was a technique Burroughs used; for examples, see the Pellucidar novels Tarzan at the Earth’s Core and Back to the Stone Age), in which it is mentioned that Rahnak and Kyrianji have set off into the Land of Awful Shadow in search of Rahnak’s mother, Suzanne Clayton. So, Pellucidar: Land of Awful Shadow is the tale of their adventure. Rahnak the Daring is the grandson of Korak, and thus the great-grandson of Tarzan! Kyrianji is a great Waziri warrior princess.

Along the way, they have many adventures in this weird Land of Awful Shadow as they struggle to get back to their friends and allies, including David Innes, with some important information. We’ll also get some insight into what happened to Suzanne (Tarzan’s granddaughter), who was mentioned in Korak at the Earth’s Core (her disappearance set off the events of that book).

It's a lot of fun because the book is probably eighty or more percent focused on characters I was privileged to create: Rahnak, Kyrianji, and Suzanne.

All the plotlines will come crashing together in the third book, Tarzan Unleashed. (You see … there’s really no way to “pants” this. 😊)

You also had a short story in the anthology Thrilling Adventure Yarns 2025, edited by Robert Greenberger. Tell us a little bit about that story and what inspired it.

It was an honor to be invited to contribute to that anthology, with such an awesome lineup of authors, and it was great to flex my short story muscles. My entry was a weird menace tale, bordering on occult, called “She-Devil of Paris.” It was very much a Sax Rohmer homage, and featured Irma Vep, the anti-heroine of a 1915–16 French serial in ten chapters called Les Vampires. (The Vampires are a criminal gang who terrorize Paris, not actual vampires.) But, as with most Rohmer stories, the main character isn’t really the one who appears more “on camera,” Irma Vep, but rather her antagonist, who in 1923 Paris is calling herself Astarte.

Finally, do you have anything else upcoming that you’re able to tell us about?

I do! After Tarzan Unleashed, I plan to write the fifth and final Secrets of the Nine novel, as yet untitled. You may recall that the fourth book, The Monster on Hold (cowritten with Philip José Farmer from his outline and including large sections of his prose), most of Doc Caliban’s plotlines were wrapped up. Caliban was the POV character, and Phil’s outline and plot did not include anything regarding Lord Grandrith. Therefore, we still have dangling plotlines regarding Grandrith going all the way back to A Feast Unknown, Lord of the Trees, and The Mad Goblin. Phil’s estate and agent have granted me permission to write a Lord Grandrith-centric novel (I’m sure Caliban will also make an appearance, but its Grandrith’s book) resolving all the plotlines. I want to be clear that we do not have anything in Phil’s files (“The Magic Filing Cabinet”) regarding a fifth book, so this will be solely by me. Believe me, I wish we did have notes or hints. The book will be published by Meteor House, with consistent trade dress, art, and design as seen on the other Secrets of the Nine books.

I also plan to finally return to Patrica Wildman and write more novella-length follow-ups to The Evil in Pemberley House and The Scarlet Jaguar. I’d like to write more Sherlock Holmes short stories, following up on “The Adventure of the Fallen Stone.” And I want to do a series of novels featuring Astarte in different time periods, from the Victorian era, to the 1930s, and perhaps even into the 1960s and ’70s.

Finally, Anthony, I want to thank you for the interview. It’s been quite a while since we’ve done this (2017!), and I appreciate it. I’m looking forward to seeing you at PulpFest 2025 / FarmerCon XX in August 2025!

It was my pleasure, Win! Always fun discussing writing and Phil and Burroughs and Star Trek and The Man From U.N.C.L.E and everything else we have in common. See you in a few weeks!

 

 

Readers, it is not too late to register for and attend Pulpfest 2025 (THE pulp magazine-focused convention in the Northeast) and the other three conventions it hosts: FarmerCon (dedicated to the works of Philip Jose Farmer), ERBFest (dedicated to the works of Edgar Rice Burroughs) and DocCon (dedicated to all things Doc Savage related). Check out the Pulpfest website.com/ for registration and hotel information!

Series Saturday: The Crossover Universe

This is a series about … well, series. I do so love stories that continue across volumes, in whatever form: linked short stories, novels, novellas, television, movies. I’ve already got a list of series I’ve recently read, re-read, watched, or re-watched that I plan to blog about. I might even, down the line, open myself up to letting other people suggest titles I should read/watch and then comment on.

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As regular readers of this blog will have noticed by now, there are a number of things I’m obsessed with: series, short stories, Dracula (and the rest of Bram Stoker’s works), King Arthur, Macbeth, novellas, book series published with a “trade dress” of some kind, television series that last only one season, making lists, redheads, pistachio ice cream (okay, maybe those last two are not quite as obvious if you haven’t been around me in person) … and crossovers. I love when characters from different shows/movies/books appear together in whatever form: full on crossovers, or wink-wink-nudge-nudge passing references.

But as much as I love crossovers, I have friends who love them even more. Friends who love them so much, they’ve written entire books chronicling them. In other words, they’ve written a series about crossovers between literary characters, including Dracula and King Arthur, from movies, television, novels, novellas, short stories and comic books. That combination obviously pushes a lot of my buttons.

The series is called Crossovers: A Secret History of the World. Volumes 1 (from the Dawn of Time to 1939) and 2 (1940 to The Future) were written by Win Scott Eckert and published by Black Coat Press in 2010. Win passed the very heavy baton to Sean Lee Levin, who wrote Crossovers Expanded Volumes 1 and 2 which were published by Meteor House Press in 2016. Crossovers published since 2016 have been chronicled by Sean Lee Levin in a Crossovers Universe group on Facebook.

There is some impressive scholarship and dedication that went into producing these books. The average length of each volume is 450 pages. That’s a lot of reading, viewing, checking sources, and cross-referencing. Every entry includes a synopsis of the crossover, indicates where the characters/settings/objects in the crossover first appeared, and identifies the creators of said characters/settings/objects.

This is not just a random collection of chronologically-organized entries featuring every crossover in existence. There are rules to this Crossover Universe that Win and Sean have curated, rules that help organize the entire idea and present a cohesive whole despite how disparate the source material and authors referenced are.

Win built the concept off of Philip Jose Farmer’s “Wold Newton Family” literary biographies of Tarzan and Doc Savage, where the idea was that Burroughs and Dent (and many other authors) simply fictionalized true events that took place in “the world outside our window.” Thus, the basic tenet of the Crossover Universe: if it changes the history we know or presents the world we know as technologically more advanced than it really is, it doesn’t fit in this particular CU. So first instance, there are very few costumed, highly-powered super-heroes in the mix, and what few there are usually have notations that in the Crossover Universe, those characters are not as powerful or as world-changing. There are a lot of “street level costumed crusaders” in the mix, though – from the Lone Ranger to the various iterations of The Green Hornet and Batman to more recent folks like Luke Cage and Iron Fist. This is vital to maintaining the basic conceit of the Crossover Universe: costumed crusaders in trench coats or martial arts gear might get a lot of notice at the local level, and may even become “urban legends” (I’m looking at you, Batman), but entire teams of gaudily-costumed flying, fiery, winged, giant super-heroes and their super-tech crafts would be way too much for the “world outside our window.”

Likewise, Kaiju are also effectively off the table as their movie rampages destroy whole cities, but there are notations that some smaller version of Godzilla, for instance, exist in the CU with less world-devastating events. And of course Skull Island and King Kong exist here. There are no full-scale zombie outbreaks, but smaller localized zombie events that are quickly quelled and pass into being urban legends have happened in the CU. Vampiric, demonic and alien convergences the entire world notices are out (sorry, Independence Day fans), but smaller vampiric communities (The Lost Boys), deals with the devil (too numerous to list) and hidden aliens (hi, X-Files) are all frequent reasons for characters to crossover.

What else is in? Prehistoric characters from Conan to Ayesha to Hadon of Opar. Historical fiction characters like King Arthur, Solomon Kane, The Three Musketeers, The Scarlet Pimpernel, and Dracula. Famous detectives like Holmes, Miss Marple and Lincoln Rhyme are included, as are occult/paranormal detectives from Thomas Carnacki to Carl Kolchak to Buffy Summers and the Mulder-Scully team. Slasher flicks are rife with crossovers. And because it would be unprofessional not to mention it, one of my own stories is included: “So Much Loss,” taking place in 1897, in which Arthur Holmwood and Jack Seward, having moved in together and declared their love after the events of Dracula, mourn the loss of Lucy Westenra and team up with French occult investigator Sar Dubnotal to deal with one of Lucy’s unfortunate legacies. (The story also features a sneaky tie to the television series Lost, just for the heck of it.)

More stories featuring crossovers are published weekly. Not all of them fit the continuity established by Win and Sean; some of them purport to tell the “true story” of an earlier work in a way that doesn’t fit with the original works timeframe or facts while some repeat stories already told by others. There are, after all, only so many times Holmes can have met Dracula or Jack the Ripper “for the first time.” There are only so many times Mars can invade Earth before the general public begins to notice it’s not just mass hysteria. There are only so many disparate futures a universe can have. If the contradictions are small and easily reconciled, the authors engage in a bit of “creative mythography” to make them fit. If the details are just too incongruous, the stories are relegated to “exciting alternate universes.” The idea has always been to be as inclusive as possible while still keeping some organization to the whole, and Eckert and Levin succeed at making it all consistent.

Of course, anyone can create their own universe which characters crossover. Want more superheroes in your mix? Want none at all? Want to completely remove the works of authors you don’t like? Go for it, make it your own. I love reading different people’s takes on what is or isn’t in their particular head-canon of crossovers. But I have to give, and will always give, Win Scott Eckert and Sean Lee Levin for creating such a comprehensive, creative, and consistent Crossover Universe through these four books and Sean’s ongoing Crossover Universe Facebook page.

So You Got Bookstore Giftcards For The Holiday!

If you’re like me, you got a LOT of gift cards to various online, chain, or local bookstores and comics shops for the holidays. So I thought I’d offer up a list of books folks might like based on your interests. Some have been reviewed here, some have not. Links will be to publisher sites where possible, Goodreads pages otherwise. Support your local bookstores as much as you can!

And if you didn’t get bookstore gift cards for the holidays (what were your family thinking, really?), seek these out at your local library or convince them to order copies for their shelves!

If you’re a fan of:

The Beatles: you might like:

Pulp/Adventure Fiction: you might like:

Horror, you might like:

Fantasy, you might like:

Science Fiction, you might like:

YA (Various Genres), you might like:

Series to Read (various genres), you might like:

 

I tried to concentrate on books/series that came out in 2019. This of course doesn’t scratch the surface. Hit me in the comments with YOUR favorite book published in 2019. Or your favorite book published earlier that you read for the first time in 2019! I’m always looking for suggestions!